The Shatzkin Files


Fighting piracy: our 3-point program


I wrote about piracy in my prior post and suggested that I had some ideas. These are those.

Brian Napack will be presenting Macmillan’s Seven Point Program for fighting piracy at Digital Book World. Today I want to expose The Shatzkin Files THREE Point Program for doing the same. I don’t know whether my three points will be covered by Brian’s program, but I do believe these — in concert — would yield beneficial effects (although nothing will “stamp out” digital piracy.)

1. Flood the sources of pirate ebooks with “frustrating” files. Publishers can use all sorts of sophisticated tricks to find pirated ebooks, like searching for particular strings of words in the text. (You’d be shocked at how few words it takes to uniquely identify a file!) But people looking for a file to read will probably search by title and author. So publishers can find the sources of pirated files most likely to be used by searching the same way, the simple way.

But, then, when publishers find those illicit files, instead of take-down notices, which is the antidote du jour, we’d suggest uploading 10 or 20 or 50 files for every one you find, except each of them should be deficient in a way that will be obvious if you try to read them but not if you just take a quick look. Repeat Chapter One four times before you go directly to Chapter Six. Give us a chapter or two with the words in alphabetical order. Just keep the file size the same as the “real” ebook would be.

For peer-to-peer file sharing, the publisher would have to put a computer or five to work, not just “upload” the crap files to a central site. But the effect to be achieved is to make illicit file downloading frustrating for the consumer and a sufficiently widespread effort of this kind should certainly do that.

One digitally sophisticated publisher reacted to this suggestion saying “too much work.” Maybe, but if this became a standardized component of each publisher’s response, the pirate marketplace would sure have a lot of sludge in it. There is also the concern that we’re punishing the end user, the reader. But (while I’m not defending them), far more Draconian remedies, such as suing consumers and denying them Internet use for repeated offenses, have been proposed. Giving them a dose of frustration (and that’s all we’re suggesting here: not malicious code or anything like that) to discourage use of pirated content seems a proportionate response.

2. Form a publisher group or authorize a trusted third party to put a “seal of authenticity” on the web sites that are totally reliable to be hosting only publisher-approved and legitimately-trafficked files. To make this most effective, publishers should “stand behind” the file distribution from authenticated sites, guaranteeing replacements for defective files, for example. We believe that, to date, publishers have been willing to complain loudly and point fingers at sites that distribute illicit files, but they have done nothing to help the honest consumer know what are legitimate distribution points. Of course, some like Amazon and BN.com and Powells.com are obvious (which doesn’t mean they shouldn’t want, and get, the “seal”), but as sources of ebooks proliferate (and they will), publishers will want to help steer consumers to the sources of ebooks that the publishers trust and believe the consumers should trust as well.

3. Promote like crazy to a) point people toward “seal of authenticity” sites and b) both scare and shame people from downloading from sites that do not have the seal. Promotion should be pretty easy: the authenticated sites can help, and so can a strong and forthright message with every ebook downloaded. Ebook readers should be constantly reminded that authors don’t get paid from pirated books, that pirated books can contain viruses or other undesireable code and that there is nobody to complain to if something untoward happens as a result of downloading one.

At the same time that publishers should be doing these things, they should also be trying hard to understand what the actual commercial impact of piracy is. The fact that there is a pirated copy of every book out there doesn’t actually tell us much; nor does the experience of the record business. We need to understand what real heavy book purchasers and readers are doing as the society moves from reading on paper to reading on screens. And, right now, we don’t have a clue.

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  • andrew s.

    option (1) has been aggressively pursued by the music and movie industries; the actual uploads are generally handled by (well-paid) outside contractors specializing in that kind of thing. music and movie execs would be better-positioned to comment on what kind of return on that investment they've made, but my gut sense is that it would only serve to slightly delay the inevitable ubiquity of pirated ebooks for the general public (an inevitability delayed to a much greater extent by the fractured format/device marketplace).

    The major reason this doesn't work is that it only deters the casual pirate (those coming in via google and the like); those who already know as much to type in the url of a reliable sharing site can already find downloads that are either pre-filtered or have peer-reviews attached, pointing out the legitimate copies of the popular titles.

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Andrew, I'm aware that this has been tried with music. It takes less than 3
      minutes to know if you have a good or bad music file. And the profile of the
      “pirate” will be different in the music business (more time on the pirate's
      hands.)

      The objective is to make it harder and more cumbersome to traffic in
      contraband IP. I wouldn't pretend that this remedy, or any other, will
      eliminate it.

      I am intrigued by your use of the word “legitimate” in the context of the
      pirated copies. I think perhaps we should say “useful” or “intact”.

      Mike

      • andrew s.

        It's hard to say what the ultimate model of book piracy will look like (hacked device software linking straight through to a “cloud” of free titles?), but we really don't need to guess since the day is already here—titles will be up on torrent sites and the like, where operators and users already have years of experience filtering out fake files.

        It may only take 3 minutes to sort out a bad music file, but something like the new #1 single is so much more ephemeral than the #1 bestseller; anyone getting to chapter 6 and finding that it repeats is already invested, they'll spend the 2 minutes to track down another (peer-reviewed, curated, etc.) copy and finish the book.

        I don't think fake files are a bad idea (well, actually I do, I guess), but I just don't think the time and effort invested will be worth anyone's while. Not to the extent that, say, investments in updates (as you just suggested) and fostering community; quality control; or rational pricing models will.

        As for “legitimate” vs. “intact”, I don't think the end user ultimately cares, that is, shy of any real kind of added value to a publisher- or retail-blessed copy. Value that will by no means be universally addable: I'd say that the greater part books you just want to read and move on from.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Andrew, I'll stick to my contention that defective book files will take
        longer to discern than bad music files. I don't disagree with the
        characterization that somebody finding a lousy one will go get another one.
        But what happens if they get two bad ones in a row? Or three bad ones out of
        five? At what point does somebody say “this isn't worth the waste of time”?
        I think there is such a point.

        But I'm glad you like the other suggestions better!

        Mike
        ——————–
        Mike Shatzkin
        /blog
        [email protected], 212-758-5670
        Founder & CEO
        The Idea Logical Company, Inc.,
        Co-founder: Filedby, Inc. http://filedby.com
        Conference Chair: Digital Book World http://digitalbookworld.com

      • http://twitter.com/gluejar eric hellman

        In the end, point 1 doesn't even work against casual piracy. It's as likely to work as naughty children are likely to turn nice if they get coal in their stockings.!

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        We're not likely to find out, either way, but I'd sure find it a hassle if I
        was trying to download a book and too often got something I couldn't use.
        Anything that increases the odds of that happening seems to me to be to be
        beneficial. I don't actually believe very much that piracy is a big issue so
        I wouldn't be expending a lot of resources on fighting it anyway (if I were
        allocating those resources.) But since the take-down notices are commonly
        referred to as “whack-a-mole”, I figure spreading annoyance might be more
        effective than what amounts to temporary denial of access.

        Mike

  • http://www.bradleyrobb.net Knownhuman

    Point number one in your plan has already been largely tried by the music and movie industry thanks to organizations like Peer Media Technologies (formerly MediaDefender and MediaSentry). Though best known for gathering evidence in litigation efforts against P2P users in the RIAA's litigation campaign, PMT actively engaged in so-called interference campaigns. For a fee, PMT will upload dummy, corrupted, and malicious files, seeding them through an established peer network which measures in the thousands. These campaigns typically run for the first few months after a movie or album is released, at which point PMT will stop running interference as demand drops.

    Sadly, point number has already been largely defeated through crowd sourcing and two way communication. Commenting and voting on seeded torrents is a common practice in the BitTorrent communities, which helps users to weed out dummy files and “promote” legitimate files to the tops of search results.

    That's not even taking into account private torrenting communities. Such communities operate like members-only clubs, where as you have to know someone on the inside to get an invite, and actions such as seeding files are monitored internally. Those who provide dummy, corrupt, or malicious files are penalized or banned, occasionally taking those who invited them in out with them.

    It's a scary prospect, knowing that pirates and file-sharers are one step ahead of the industries trying to stop them. In bluntly military terms, it's asymmetric warfare, but the technological edge belongs to the insurgents.

    In point number two, are you suggesting the formation of industry-wide group like the RIAA or MPAA, but for publishing?

  • http://www.dlewis.net Dan Lewis

    I wrote this up at http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-stor… but I'll give the guts here: I think the real problem is the disintegration of the First Sale Doctrine, and I don't think that is necessary. We can (artificially) create some level of scarcity by partnering with device manufacturers and distributors (Amazon/Kindle, B&N/Nook) to create a rental economy. That should destroy the meaningful parts of the pirate economy. I outline it in the link above.

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Dan, I think the cloud is ultimately going to solve this problem, but not in
      the way you suggest.

      When we become untethered from hard drives and have all our “files” in our
      “locker” in the cloud, piracy problems go away. Everybody has access to the
      files they're permitted access to, but the idea of “possessing” them becomes
      outmoded, and therefore, so does “sharing” them. When we “save” a piece of
      our own writing, we'll have to decide what licenses we want to give it. Can
      anybody look at it? Can only the originator and her mother look at it? Can
      anybody who pays a price look at it, or even authorize somebody *else* to
      look at it? Licenses will be much easier to enforce when we've gone to an
      all-cloud world. That's why Google's ebook program will be cloud-based;
      ultimately it enables them to sidestep the whole DRM issue.

      Mike

      • asciilifeform

        > When we become untethered from hard drives and have all our “files” in our “locker” in the cloud, piracy problems go away… … Licenses will be much easier to enforce when we've gone to an all-cloud world.

        This is either an expression of a grave and fundamental fallacy (http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061…), or an endorsement of digital totalitarianism.

        Will your “cloud” prevent me from “unauthorized” cut-and-paste into a different classification level? If so, I want no truck with it. My computer shall obey my orders alone:

        http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html.

        And let us not forget: there is in reality no such thing as “the cloud.” There are only other people's hard drives. People whose interests may not always align with your own.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Yes, there are other people's hard drives. People who have office networks
        are, in effect, living with a cloud now with the “other people's” hard
        drives being their company's.

        I believe we'll go to the cloud for convenience; it is a real pain to have
        to carry your data around with you all the time. But when we do, we'll want
        security for our files. If you can borrow my device to access your data, I
        want to make sure you're accessing ONLY your data. That's going to happen by
        an iris scan or thumb print or multiple passwords or something. But there is
        no way you or I or anybody would permit all your files to be seen by anybody
        who wants to look.

        And if *that* measure of control is possible — even necessary — so will
        the level of control I suggested.

        Digital totalitarianism? Very modern name-calling!

        Mike

      • asciilifeform

        > we'll want security for our files. If you can borrow my device to access your data, I want to make sure you're accessing ONLY your data.

        It will never be safe to leave an untrusted person physically alone with a box containing your secrets.

        > And if *that* measure of control is possible — even necessary — so will the level of control I suggested.

        Do you not see a difference between promoting the use of strong encryption to protect one's own data, and pushing for laws which force everyone to use crippled hardware which obeys a hypothetical “don't look at this” bit?

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Hey, asciilifeform, how did you make the leap that I was advocating any *
        laws* to do *anything* here? There are people out there pushing for all
        sorts of laws; I'm not one of them.

        I think we'll have cloud computing because it makes sense for most people
        for most things. We'll look back at this “early” computer era where
        everybody had possession of their own files as a silly anomaly. When we're
        able to use any screen anywhere for anything we want to do with it, we'll
        laugh at the idea that people carried computers around with them to have
        access to their files.

        Because I think that will happen, I think controls will be built into the
        cloud. And because controls will be built into the cloud, I think many
        sellers of IP will use those controls to manage use. I'll go further: the
        management of those controls will — 20 years from now — be a critical
        component of commercial success. Knowing when to allow sharing, pass-along,
        “redistribution”, etc. will be an important skill to maximize revenue from
        intellectual property.

        Now, I'm not saying that all the current models pertain. I'm on record many
        times saying we're moving “from IP to eyeballs.” And I think most IP will be
        transacted by subscription, and the subscription will include community
        membership (see Publishers Marketplace as the best current example) which is
        where the eyeballs come in. But once access is through the cloud, control
        becomes pretty easy to monitor. It won't require any laws (unless you want
        to ban controls, that is…)

        Mike
        ——————–
        Mike Shatzkin
        /blog
        [email protected], 212-758-5670
        Founder & CEO
        The Idea Logical Company, Inc.,
        Co-founder: Filedby, Inc. http://filedby.com
        Conference Chair: Digital Book World http://digitalbookworld.com

      • http://www.dlewis.net Dan Lewis

        The idea that we're untethering from our hard drives is a bit of a leap, because we're necessarily re-tethering ourselves to a service. I think there's a place for either, and that ideas such as “ownership” “possession” and “access” travel (in part) with how we access the content.

        The pushback on Amazon after the unKindling of Animal Farm is demonstrative. The ease in drawing a parallel to Amazon coming into my house and taking a book off my shelf demonstrates that a large swath of consumers won't appreciate/accept the end of the ownership/access demarcation. For a long, long time, you'll have consumers who wish to “own” an mp3, book, etc. and not worry too much about things like licensing.

        It sounds like a “bundle of rights” problem. If I buy (“own”) a book, I expect to be able to do things such as re-sell, loan, rent, gift it. If I rent or borrow (“posses”) a book, I don't, but expect to be able to do things like take it with me on a trip. If I am in your house and flip through (“access”) a book, you being a mensch aside, I probably can't just walk out the door with it.

        These concerns are borne by consumers, and not by producers. I think that — and not technology — is where the disconnect fundamentally lies.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Dan, no disagreement on the “bundle of rights.” There's no reason for
        one-size-fits-all. Of course, you should be able to “buy” the right to read
        the book yourself or pay a bit more to buy the right to pass it to four
        people, etc.

        There are a lot of near and dear concepts that erode over time. I guarantee
        you that the attitudes people had 30 years ago about “privacy” have been
        blown away by necessary and unnecessary intrusions brought about by
        terrorism and by the sheer technological capabilities of the Net. Our
        notions of copyright and fair use are also being forced to change because of
        technological reality. I think the same thing will happen to “ownership”. My
        own hunch is that 20 years from now most people won't give a damn about it.

        Mike
        ——————–
        Mike Shatzkin
        /blog
        [email protected], 212-758-5670
        Founder & CEO
        The Idea Logical Company, Inc.,
        Co-founder: Filedby, Inc. http://filedby.com
        Conference Chair: Digital Book World http://digitalbookworld.com

  • http://xpectro.com/ Pablo Francisco Arrieta

    4. Change pricing strategy and make selling (and buying) of books available at a faster rate all over the world asap. If you leave large regions of it in the dark real costumers won't be able to purchase and in many cases will move to search for the file.

    As in the movie industry with global releases of movies it has helped, music and publishing industries should learn. The faster and easier they do this for users, the better!

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Pablo: no disagreement in principle but let's remember that publishers can
      only solve the problems that are within their ability to solve. If agents
      have granted the rights to global exploitation, the publisher can't
      unilaterally make it happen.

      Mike

      • http://xpectro.com/ Pablo Francisco Arrieta

        Mmmmm…

        But then Amazon sells Kindle international, and things become cloudy. My business partner has one under the premise you will get any book you want, whenever you want… We live in Colombia… so far, very close to reality… he gets them… And I do, with my iPod Kindle, wich is great.

        Rights now go global.

        Imagine you having a Kindle and going to vacation in Prague, you are a US citizen so you expect to be able to get books as you are there… are you going to? If they fail to deliver, the machine is going to get in trouble…

        International means… international.

        IP must change… and soon. Before that, piracy will be an answer to stubborness in realizing digital world doesn't have borders…

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Pablo, the international rights component is one of the trickiest aspects of
        the ebook world. You present a number of the issues very clearly and it is
        likely that different retailers will view them different ways. You didn't
        mention Google or Shortcovers (from Indigo in Canada), both of which seem to
        be thinking about “any device, anywhere, anytime”.

        Unavailability (and prices that are “too high”) are often cited as goads to
        piracy. But I don't think we really *know* that. What we know about piracy
        is much more about supply than about demand or consumption. So, while I
        agree with you that international rights are a challenge that ebooks will
        force us to face, I'm not ready to assume that increased piracy of any
        significant amount is part of the fallout we face if we're slow to deal with
        it.

        Mike

      • http://xpectro.com/ Pablo Francisco Arrieta

        Of course… and yes, I just mentioned Kindle… but then you have more and more examples. Feedbooks and their books on public domain in France given away to people in countries where those works are still under copyright.

        That's the issue, Mike. I live in Colombia, 80 years… and there is Mexico, 100 years… This small issues (decades between works being rightfully used as commons) get worse when you are selling tools to people and don't have the way to deliver real goods for them.

        Take iTunes store (non existing in large parts of the world…). That means that any iPod customer in this countries is obviously going to fill them with illegal (let's say pirate goods). And there is no other way to do it because there is no legal way to do it.

        Then, move to ereaders and the same problem happens. Lots of people will have one for Xmas in this countries, bought in the US or any place where they sell them. Do you think users will wait until companies solve rights issues to fill them with books? So, there would be a lot of outlets of illegal content for countries with no legal outlets… and they are going to be available for people in countries where legal exist… if there is no added value, how can you stop those users being tempted to come and use the illegal services?

        More regional tough and slow laws will stop it? Don't think so… I think there are other roads to take…

        A must read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/1… but if Spotify and services alike doesn't start soon in our countries, no real improvement in global numbers against creation of illegal content.

        And, to end this one, a little example. Oliver Sack's Musicophilia was released just in our country. After almost 3 years being released in the US, the book is sold in Amazon as low as 10US (and in The Strand it may be less ;-) ), but it was released at 40US here in our countries!!!! AND it's not the expanded and revised edition! Try to buy the kindle version to prevent being ripped with the price but there is no way since it's forbidden for our region…

        Since we live here, we see everyday that no legal outlets, high prices and not answering global issues at the same time really make this kind of situations grow. And if there is supply, is very hard to stop the demand…

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Pablo, thanks for your comments. You make a very cogent point about devices
        needing to be filled up (although iPods are filled with ripped CDs and are
        in countries that have iTunes as well as in countries that don't.)

        I had the experience of buying a Kindle last year (and then again this year,
        when the Kindle 2 came out) for a fellow in Norway whom I met in Europe. He
        had me “load” them with some books and magazines (any at all would do; it
        was just for demonstration purposes) and he seemed to accept the idea that
        he wouldn't be able to get content for them in Norway. I don't know if he's
        figured out a “hack” yet, or if he's loading PDFs from his PC but even
        obtaining the device required him to get a favor done by somebody in the US.
        I'm not sure how widespread the distribution of Kindles outside purchase
        zones is and that, of course, is a key component of your proposition.

        Mike

      • http://xpectro.com/ Pablo Francisco Arrieta

        Back from the book fair. Maybe you don't know but yesterday I spoke for the second time here in the Guadalajara book fair and the reaction was very good. The main idea is to make people think how odd it is to still use heavy words for common practices.

        Countries like Argentina have up to 96% of their software industry still cover by pirate copies. I think is urgent to revise things in a global and localized scale. That means trying to conquer a huge part of that 96% of illegal users to play a better game for both ends of the business.

        More law won't make pirates into users because more often than not, it's a question of pricing what makes them do what they do. It would be nicer to be part of the club, but if it's impossible to join…

        Amazingly for me, amongst the very happy and interested audience two gentlemen made my mind fly: Bob Stein and Chris Meade. That was a very interesting accomplishment, as it is to read Julieta's interest in my point of view (tip of the hat… ;-) )

        Mike: “And I think what WILL happen is “very slow change”, at least for the next several years.” Beg to differ… I think is going to be fast and amazing, pushed by technology and hardware makers… as it happened with other industries. I'm positive and I hope it's going to be for good…

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Pablo, maybe I should have been more explicit: I think that on the sale of
        rights on big books, you will see very slow change over the next few years.

        I don't know Chris Meade but I do know Bob Stein. He's a visionary and very
        provocative, but he is not a barometer of where the commercial world of
        publishing is going or what it is thinking. (I don't think he wants to be!)

        I truly do sympathize with your point of view. I agree that it is crazy that
        content is ready for your market to consume but that rights issues prevent
        legitimate distribution. But it is a crazy thing that is happening for what
        have been very sound commercial reasons, to maximize the revenues of the
        people who own and control those rights. Even today, ebook sales would
        amount to a low single-digit percentage (if that) of the sales of these
        books in almost all Spanish-speaking countries. I wouldn't expect the people
        counting the dollars they get from these rights sales to change their habits
        anytime soon.

        Please don't confuse what I think will happen with what I want to happen.
        But, I would also say, don't confuse what YOU think will happen with what
        YOU want to happen, either.

        Mike

      • ricday

        I suspect that the “walled gardens” of current rights agreements are going to cause the biggest piracy problems over the next few years. Pablo is on the right track.

        Personal experience: I lived in Asia and did business in Europe and other parts of the world for many years. When DVDs became available, I tended to buy them in the countries I visited, building a film library in various languages. When I moved to Canada, I was shocked to discover that these DVDs did not work on the new player I purchased — the player had a “regional” lock built in which my previous player apparently lacked. My choices were (a) purchase a new DVD player for each region in which I had purchased DVDs, (b) try to find North American region versions of the DVDs I owned and buy them, (c) find a way to break the regional lock code on the new player without breaking the player, or (d) find torrents and download “unlocked” copies of the DVDs I already owned.

        Those options made my choice pretty simple.

        After a year-and-some of owning a Sony Reader, I remain frequently frustrated by messages in online ebook stores (including Sony's) that I may not purchase the book I want because it is only for sale to people living 50 miles south of me.

        If publishers want to actively encourage digital book piracy, I believe a failure to act quickly on rights will be a good choice.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Ric,

        I don't think I've succeeded in making my point. You said:

        *If publishers want to actively encourage digital book piracy, I believe a
        failure to act quickly on rights will be a good choice.*

        My point is that publishers *can't* “act quickly on rights.” At least not
        for big books. Agents won't let them. The agents decide how rights are
        carved up; all the big global publishers would far prefer to control world
        rights on everything.

        Mike

      • http://xpectro.com/ Pablo Francisco Arrieta

        “The agents decide how rights are carved up; all the big global publishers would far prefer to control world rights on everything.”

        Just to answer in your style: They would prefer to do that, but they seem to be loosing that ability… seems like they are having a problem with reality… similar to the one you presented before with me.

        I think the chanin must realize the way the world behaves now… not try to make it behave as they would like…

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Pablo, the agents are concerned with making the most possible money on the
        project. That is *all* they are concerned about. How the world works, what
        would be most efficient, and what would make piracy less likely are not the
        motivators. Any calculation that doesn't start with “what makes the most
        money for the author” is one step removed from “likely to happen.”

        Mike

  • http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/ Eric Hellman

    Sometimes simple works too. How about adding a pretty frontispiece: “This Book is Licensed to Mike Shatzkin” on the first page of every ebook that Mike Shatzkin buys?

    • andrew s.

      It's never been clear to me exactly what kind of piracy this is meant to deter? It certainly wouldn't prevent a user from sending a copy on to their mother or even their neighbor; one would probably think twice before posting a copy on their blog (has anyone trademarked the phrase 'epub blogger' already?), but it certainly wouldn't deter large-scale piracy at all. The same technical considerations that make it trivial to strip DRM also make it trivial to strip out pretty frontispieces (or more likely, to add the name of your organized release group).

      • http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/ Eric Hellman

        Which is more of a bottom-line threat, “large-scale” piracy, or “casual” piracy- emailing files to your friends, etc.?

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Eric, if we actually *knew* the answer to that question, we'd know a lot
        that we surely don't know now. But even if we knew the answer for today, we
        wouldn't know the answer for a year or three from now, when ebook reading
        will be a multiple of what it is today.

        Mike

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Andrew, “social DRM” of just about any sort is specifically designed to stop
        casual piracy. Yes, you'd still give the file to your mother. How about your
        best friend? How about somebody you met in class or at a bar with whom you
        were discussing the book?

        We have *no* data about these things, but my a priori hunch (no better than
        the next guy's) is that personal pass-along is a far bigger threat to book
        sales than piracy through illegitimate channels. And that's precisely what
        social DRM will restrain.

        Mike

      • andrew s.

        Of course I'd still give it to my best friend. Probably not to a stranger at a bar (logistical challenges not-withstanding), but what is really in danger: exposing your name? I just don't think the argument resonates with today's digital consumer. Personal pass along is a train that just can't be derailed, we've got a couple hundred years too many experience passing along favorite books to our friends and family (and yes, strangers at bars) to hope to rub it out; the sooner publishers get on board (easy one to start: embrace DRM-controlled lending a la the nook) the less damage they'll do to themselves in the long run.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        The “danger” in the pass-along is that your name ends up on a file-sharing
        site. There's potential embarrassment there and perhaps potential legal
        liability (of a legal nuisance, if nothing else.) You might trust your best
        friend with that; others might not.

        I am sure that the Nook lending capability and the already-extant Kindle
        sharing capability (a single account can be accessed by something like six
        different devices) will be joined by other models. Then we'll have a new
        pain in the butt, which is sorting out what one can do with this book versus
        what one can do with that book. It will be a long time before this is all
        sorted out.

        But I kinda doubt that any particular publisher will pay any particular
        price for going along or not going along. People won't be able to keep it
        straight. There will probably be a reasonably small cohort (as there is now)
        that will insist on DRM-free, but that's a pretty poor way to decide what to
        read (in my opinion) and I don't think it will be the main thing on most
        people's minds when they go after content for themselves.

        Mike

      • andrew s.

        I don't think that 'danger' will really resonate with folks, unless both (a) there's a major marketing campaign on account of publishers to push the 'danger' or (putative) immorality home and (b) said major marketing campaign actually succeeded, something that I don't think anyone is willing to concede actually happened for either the music or movie industries. (Both of which with much more nascent “sharing” models than the age-old hand-on-your-used-books idea.)

        As for publishers paying the price, no I don't think so either, mostly on account of most of them having no brand identity in the consumer's mind to begin with, but I do think there's a big opportunity for publishers to set themselves apart as friendly to the consumer (and establish that brand identity), which would provide a lead on their competitors in a rapidly expanding market and pay dividends many times over down the road. Probably little chance except for publishers not 'forced' to focus on this quarter's results…

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Andrew, I don't think the publishers have much to gain in brand identity for
        the same reason they don't have much now: people don't pick their books by
        publisher *except in genres*. There are definitely ways to distinguish your
        offerings in the ebook space: by being competent (don't show me blank pages
        because the print book has one; don't show me TOCs that are just lists of
        chapter numbers) and by being enhanced (links to web sources, even creating
        internal “reference” material for non-fiction), but I'd be hesitant to
        advise any publisher that doing this would have any halo effect beyond the
        particular products well-rendered. I simply can't see somebody choosing to
        read a bio of Ted Kennedy rather than a bio of Sarah Palin (*or the other
        way around*) because they like the publisher's ebook presentation better.

        Mike

      • andrew s.

        Kennedy vs. Palin is a little reductive, but I do think in terms of lending and the like, there is room for differentiation here. Especially when you expand the choice to (say) Financial Meltdown Title A vs. Financial Meltdown Title B, or Kennedy bio in e vs. Kennedy bio in print (a choice people, especially avid readers, will be making more and more: albeit actually probably a counter-motivation for many publishers right now), or Kennedy bio in e vs. not buying anything (at this moment).

        Retailers will also have a big role to play here, based on how they choose to present participation in lending programs and the like. (If it's not covered by the contracts…)

        Beyond the question of instant purchases, though, there's also the impact on acquisitions: given two mostly-otherwise-equal offers, tomorrow's next big literary sensations (increasingly, as average year of birth continues edging towards gen y/late x) will always go with the publisher that can really make the digital space work. Or, ultimately, no traditional publisher at all..

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Andrew, I definitely agree that as ebook reading grows, each publisher's
        competence and dealmaking in the ebook space will influence their ability to
        acquire. That's an important point.

        Mike

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Couldn't agree more, Eric. Social DRM. I believe it would be an effective
      deterrent (although the skeptics all love to point out that it, like all DRM
      solutions, can be hacked.)

      Mike

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  • fionamclennan

    5. Release a digital version for purchase! I work in digital (and regularly in the book industry – I've worked for a couple of international pubs) and WANT to pay for my content but will now only read digitally. And the sad fact is that even if an ebook IS available, Australia is almost always blocked from purchase because of territorial DRM.

    The first, simplest step, to combat piracy is surely to give people the option of paying for the book they want in the format they want. I'd add that digital release should be simultaneous with the release of the print edition but we all know that's just crazy talk. ;)

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Fiona, everything you say makes perfect sense. We have some very cumbersome
      legacy issues to deal with to make the world conform to perfect sense.

      Mike

  • http://librosenlanube.blogspot.com Julieta Lionetti

    I'm late joining this conversation.
    Mike, you should pay more attention to what Pablo Francisco Arrieta is saying. No later than today I was discussing in a Spanish blog the meaninglessness of territoriality with e-books. People are not going to wait until the cloud is here –and it will not be coming to Colombia or Argentina at the same time as it is available in Manhattan–to get their books.

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Julieta, the new realities are bumping up against the practices of the last
      100 years. All agents are trained to license rights as narrowly as they can
      (so they can license the next set of rights later.) There are a lot of
      authors; there are a lot of agents. Publishers would LOVE to get all rights
      to all languages when they buy a book, but it just hasn't worked that way.
      Wishing won't make it so. Whether this will result in a lot more piracy in
      places like Colombia, I can't really tell, but let's remember that there is
      piracy now all over the world and whether increased piracy in Colombia will
      cost more than the piracy that already exists in the US, UK, and other
      places is still an open question.

      Mike

      • http://librosenlanube.blogspot.com Julieta Lionetti

        You don't need to know how much piracy in Colombia will cost –it's mainly a concern of publishers publishing in Spanish. I've been licencing titles and authors from agents for more than 20 years and territoriality was a good thing to add an author to your list when you haven't the possibility of distributing his work all over the Spanish speaking world… or you didn't have the money to pay a terribly high advance. Nevertheless, I guess this is not going to be so in the next future. It's no wishful thinking –if I were an author licensing my digital work, I would be interested in having that work available everywhere in the language I license. For a simple reason, if my work is available only in Spain, it will be read in “illegal” copies in Latin America: 40 millions in one market, 300 millions in the other. Just guess.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Julieta, we are still in a world where the money to be made in print dwarfs
        the money to be made in digital. Slowly, but surely, publishers will take
        the position that they don't want narrowly-defined digital rights; some will
        take the position that they don't want print rights if they can't get
        broadly defined digital rights. But agents looking to get the most they can
        for their authors (which is, after all, their job) will not change the
        time-honored practices quickly. I'm trying to predict what I think WILL
        happen, not what I think SHOULD happen. And I think what WILL happen is
        “very slow change”, at least for the next several years.

        Mike

      • http://www.rightssolutions.biz/ Katy Loffman

        Just talking about English language books, If the original publisher of a book bought and kept world rights, it would mean they would have to distribute their edition in the other territories. If the author was British, chances are that would be a UK publisher, so any copies sold abroad eg in US would be very difficult for the UK publisher to promote and distribute effectively. It make sense for a more local (eg American) publisher to do the job in his own country (if it's US). Although this is particularly true of print books, it is also true of ebooks, partly because they are sold off the back of the publicity for the print book.

        Another problem is that many British publishers are not fully equipped to put all their books into ebook. If they sell their rights to a US publisher just because some of them are more advanced, the UK never will develop the capability or the distribution networks in the UK (or any other country come to that). Agents would rather give US publishers the traditional US rights, and keep the British rights for when a British publisher is ready.

        However it is sometimes in the author's best interests to sell worldwide ebook rights to a different publisher from the one who does the print book.

        The problem is that we are very much in transition, and we can't all have everything now, because it's not finished being invented.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Katy, I did a post some months ago about the stages of ebook takeup. We're
        still in *very* early stages here. You're right that a lot is left to be
        figured out and territorial divisions are one of them.

        Mike

  • http://xpectro.com/ Pablo Arrieta

    To add an idea to this endless debate. In my brief (2 hours) visit to NY on my way to the UK I had the pleasure to find this lovely book on my favorite subject. Piracy, by Adrian Johns… A must read for all of you interested in this idea, since Gutenberg to our present days… Amazingly good!

    If you want to check it:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=jFMEPUO7LS0C&d

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Thanks, Pablo. I wonder if I could get a Bit Torrent download of this…

      Mike

      • Pablo Arrieta

        Not yet… but remember Matt Mason's comment on this situation. When he released The Pirate's Dilemma he told in many interviews he was checking to see if his book appeared there (torrents), 'cause that meant that people were really interested on it. ;-)

        http://thepiratesdilemma.com/

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        I'm fairly sure that “piracy” is more a plus than a minus for the vast
        majority of books published, but there are no stats…and what I believe is
        true today I might not expect to be true tomorrow.

        Mike

  • anonymous

    I'm a moderately well-known writer who has seen my income dwindle significantly (and it wasn't that great in the first place) in proportion to the popularity of my pirated books.  I tried “being nice” and asking people to stop stealing my books; I tried asking them to borrow them from their local library if money were an issue (because those books are legally paid for).  Appealing to readers' sense of decency doesn't work, so I got a game-designer friend to create fake versions of my books with a very annoying virus included.  I'm putting them up all over the place.  Sorry, but f*ck these entitled little thieves.  I work 18 hours a day, six days a week as a writer and barely make 20 grand a year–and I'm considered one of the “successful” ones.  MALICIOUS CODE IS THE WAY TO GO — these little sh*ts deserve what they get.

    • /blog Mike Shatzkin

      Malicious code might be vandalism, and I sure can't endorse that. I

      appreciate your frustration, but I only think what you're trying would be

      effective if it were widespread. You'll get some revenge, but you won't

      solve the problem for yourself or anybody else.

      Mike

    • http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/ Eric Hellman

      You could also be charged and convicted of a felony crime.

      • /blog Mike Shatzkin

        Well, that would be a good thing to avoid!

        Mike