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I will admit that I have long been among those who believe that Amazon has what amounts to an enduring stranglehold on the book business. They have achieved a market share — which could be in the neighborhood of half the trade books sold if you combine print and digital versions — that is unprecedented in book business history. This is a smaller share than the two giant bookstore chains — Barnes & Noble and the now-defunct Borders — had combined at the peak of their marketplace power.

Lately, I have seen that point of view challenged. Jake Kerr wrote a very thoughtful piece making the point that Amazon’s desire to take margin out of the ebook business is a good defensive move that diminishes the appetite of their mega-company ebook competitors — Apple, Google, and, less so, Microsoft — to invest in beating them back. Suw Charman-Anderson picked up on the theme that Amazon is being defensive, “looking tired”, and found others who seemed to think the same way. Both of them express doubts about Amazon’s continuing hegemony without even using one powerful argument I think is important. Amazon is protected from ebook competition by the inability of competitors to put DRMed content onto dedicated Kindle ereader devices. (Another barrier is that so many early ebook adopters did so via a Kindle account, so their content and login credentials are in the Amazon platform along with a lot of other shopping data that raises the switching hurdle.) But the share controlled by dedicated devices is diminishing and anybody reading on a multi-function device can choose from a range of ebook retailers. (And that’s not to mention that somebody might invent a way to place protected content on Kindles without Amazon’s help; rumors have it that somebody already has!)

Contemplating Amazon’s weaknesses is new thinking for me. What I see is Amazon’s power over the book business, which is great. Amazon has achieved this position through smart and efficient operations and brilliant tactics like Amazon Prime that build customer loyalty, as well as being beneficiaries of the natural migration of sales from brick stores to online. But, most of all, Amazon benefits from its broad business base. They don’t have to support their business exclusively, or even substantially, from their book sales margin. And, on top of that, they don’t have to finance the building and maintenance of a global operation strictly from what they earn in the United States.

So they trump everybody. Barnes & Noble, their only competitor selling both print and digital books, seems to have stalled in its bid to build a rival global empire with the Nook device as the leading edge. Their lack of stores outside the US robs them of the main tool they used to build Nook from a standing start to what seemed for a while to be a serious threat to Kindle and the consequent lack of global scale is hobbling their Nook business. The US stores are still profitable as print-sellers, but very few are those who maintain that print-in-stores is anything but a declining market. (As for BN.com, the less said the better. Of the four principal components of B&N’s business: bookstores, college stores, Nook ebooks, and their online retailing operation, the most dramatic and persistent failure has been BN.com.)

Kobo, Apple, and Google are all ebook purveyors only with no print book complement. Kobo has nominally tried to deliver a combined offering, and claimed some store support to sell their devices, by making alliances with leading local booksellers in many markets. Apple, a company primarily interested in selling its hardware and the ecosystems it builds around them, has no apparent interest in print. Google appears to have hit on a broader variation of the Kobo strategy, making alliances with physical retailers by offering a combination of its power in search and a same-day delivery capability called Google Shopping Express — competing with Amazon Prime — that retailers in a single vertical couldn’t deliver for themselves.

Under that rubric, Google is now allied with Barnes & Noble. But I see this as an initiative with the accent on the wrong syllable. The combined companies’ offering is only of real value applied to the small number of book purchases for which same day delivery adds substantial utility (and for which the digital version — always delivered instantly — doesn’t constitute an adequate solution for the need for speed). They are further limited by the books available in the particular B&N store plugged into the program in each locality and each store carries far fewer titles than the chain does as a whole. So the number of books customers will need delivered with that alacrity will be further reduced by the imperfect match between the demand and what’s available. Even if this program steals a high percentage of the same-day demand sales from Amazon, I’m not sure how much it would shift market shares. And with Amazon also offering rapid delivery and probably around a greater number of titles, it is not a given that the new offering from Google and B&N will steal much market share at all.

That doesn’t make it a bad move. The sales and visibility are incremental pluses for Barnes & Noble. Google’s new Google Shopping Express has a business model into which B&N fits very nicely. Books are a nice-to-have additional product line to offer within that service, designed to compete with Amazon’s growing same-day goods delivery. This is a fight between two behemoths that is much larger than the book business (as it has to be to interest them). B&N has a role to play, but it is a supporting position, not a lead.

From where I sit, this offering from Google and B&N doesn’t look like a game-charger for the book business. Nothing about it would seem to threaten Amazon’s overall (and still growing) hegemony in book retail. The migration of sales from print to digital and from stores to online has clearly slowed down, perhaps even plateaued, in the past year or two but few are those who believe those trends are permanently over.

Google is on a right track with Google Shopping Express; people who buy physical goods use Google search to find them and see Google ads when they do. But going after the smallest corner of the print book business — those books on which 6-hour delivery presents a very big advantage over 24-hour delivery — is not going to bend the curve much on Amazon’s future, even if it provides some marginal benefit to B&N and Google.

But there is a different combination that could give Amazon a real headache. There are two companies that together could deliver print and digital, just about anywhere in the world with competitive delivery speed, with discovery capability that would rival Amazon’s as well. Between them, they really have almost all the capabilities and infrastructure required already in place.

One of those companies is, of course, Google.

The other is Ingram, the book business’s biggest US wholesaler and, through its present activities already providing global digital and print distribution as well as print-on-demand. Ingram is positioned to deliver any book in any form anywhere extremely efficiently. They also have a robust and accurate database of book metadata which, if combined with Google’s data and search mastery (and capabilities that match Amazon’s “Search Inside” offering as well), could challenge Amazon effectively as a “best first place to look” for any information about books.

What Google needs to take on board to make the strategic leap to explore a partnership like this is that most book consumers read both print and digital and probably will for some time to come. It will get harder and harder to compete with Amazon without a print-and-digital offering; you can’t be fully effective with either one unless you do both.

And it would help if Google saw the book business as distinctly different from the other media businesses that with books constitute Google Play. The differences play to and can enhance Google’s core strength. Book marketing is almost infinitely granular, because the number of possible motivations to buy a book are so great in number. Rarely do you buy music or video because of where your next vacation will be or because you want to put a new roof on your house or change careers. Associating specific book suggestions to discerned interests and motivations is the key to effective book marketing in the digital environment. And the insights about any individual by analyzing their book search also can tell you what else they may be looking for. Nobody does those things better than Google. They have limited impact on the ability to suggest music or movies, but enormous value in selecting what books to feature to any particular customer at any particular time and what else they can be sold after they’ve bought a book.

A Google-Ingram partnership would not only start with every capability necessary to compete with Amazon as a global bookseller, they would have some additional Secret Sauce as well. Google and Ingram wouldn’t actually have to make money on the combined retailing component because they make money other ways that are associated with it. Google would be adding incremental search and ad placement opportunities. Ingram would be benefiting as a wholesaler providing all the print books and many of the ebooks the new “store” sells. They could make nearly nothing from the new retailing operation, just like Amazon does with its book retailing operation, and still have the enterprise return a profit for their engagement.

A joint digital retailing enterprise to sell books and ebooks from Google and Ingram is the only possibility I can see on the horizon that would save the legacy publishing business from being entirely subject to Amazon’s inexorably growing marketplace power. It is almost certain that Ingram — part of the book business Amazon is so successfully disrupting — sees this very clearly. (Full disclosure seldom necessary in this space: Ingram has been a client of The Idea Logical Company for many years.) Being a hero to the book business may be a less immediate objective for Google, but making life a bit more difficult for Amazon almost certainly is. Nothing they could do would create more challenges for Amazon than a partnership with Ingram to create an all-media store that sells both physical and digital versions of everything, including and especially books.

Since I posted my last piece, triggered by Amazon’s invoking of Orwell and Streitfeld’s accusation that they got him wrong, two conflicting posts have arisen. I’m indebted to Hugh Howey for pointing out that apparently Orwell really did want to destroy cheap paperbacks but Orwell’s estate takes a different view. In fact, I don’t think which side got it right is particularly germane to the arguments I was making. The Orwell connection made a cute hook, but it is not really an essential part of either side’s story.

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  • Elliot1234

    Great idea. It will give independent, low cost producers another platform. Retail competition has a noble track record.

  • http://medialoper.com/ Kirk Biglione

    > (And that’s not to mention that somebody might invent a way to place
    > protected content on Kindles without Amazon’s help; rumors have it
    > that somebody already has!

    Back in the early oughts RealNetworks came up with a way for consumers to buy DRMd music through the Real marketplace and play it back on an iPod, without going through Apple. That workaround didn’t last long at all before Apple “fixed” the problem. Even if Apple hadn’t found a technical solution they likely would have found a legal remedy.

    I expect any company that tries something like this with the Kindle will meet a similar fate.

    More here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay#Harmony:_RealPlayer_Music_on_the_iPod

    • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

      I have a lot of respect for your knowledge on these subjects, Kirk. I know it is a big problem. Fortunately for “everybody but Amazon”, though, the number of readers “captured” by a dedicated device is probably already diminishing as more and more people switch over to multi-functions.

      • http://medialoper.com/ Kirk Biglione

        Agreed re: the shift to multi-function devices. Just making the point in case there’s anyone out there who might be holding out hope for a sneak attack on Amazon’s lock-in strategy. It’s just not going to happen.

        Multi-function devices may be capturing more readers, but are they capturing more book sales? My sense is that owners of dedicated reading devices buy and read far more than casual readers who may be experimenting with ebooks on a tablet or smartphone. I’d be happy to be proven wrong about this gut feeling if there’s any data to the contrary.

      • Elliot1234

        Do we have reason to think consumers use a specific device to read? I can pick up my iPhone, iPad, Kindle, Nexus-7, or ChromeBook and tap to the last page read in any book. We can use whatever is most convenient at the moment.

      • http://medialoper.com/ Kirk Biglione

        Absolutely. I read like that myself. But as I move between devices my Kindle device is the thing that keeps me buying books from Amazon, even when I’m reading on my iPad or iPhone. I raise this issue because some of the most voracious readers I know of read the same way.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        There ARE people who read books only on dedicated ereaders. Fewer all the time but Kindle captives are a problem for every competitor.

      • Elliot1234

        Even those without a Kindle machine can easily be captured by the convenience of their library on the Kindle Cloud. I don’t even think about it anymore. All I know is all my books are on all my devices ready to tap open to the last page read at any time. For the terminally lazy, this is as good as it gets.

        And I confess. I don’t even know how to buy a book on anything other than a PC or Mac.

  • InklingBooks

    There’s another option. Since Apple isn’t interested in print, it could one or even multiple partnerships with those who do. The partnership could start with links. Print retailer X could link to the iBookstore and vice-versa. Then the ties could include a way to buy both an ebook and print version for a discount.
    The ebook version would arrive in seconds, which would make it less important that the print version may take several days.

    • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

      Apple can’t be a serious competitor just by adding print. They have a bigger problem. Even their ebooks aren’t available to owners of Android devices. They don’t have the ubiquity in ebooks that would enable them to be a full competitor with any print option and the one you describe is itself extremely

      • Elliot1234

        I don’t think we have reason to think Apple cares about being a competitor in low tech eBooks.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        They care about selling devices and their ecosystem. Period.

      • Elliot1234

        Agree. And their devices seem much better suited to higher technical levsls of eReading than what is needed for novels. Novels are as low tech as it gets. One para after another until the end..

        Textrbooks and non-fiction could be a big deal for the kind of devices Apple makes. They have always had a substantial presence in schools. Integrate desktop Macs, iPads, and mini-iPads, and they have a higher level platform for presentation of textbooks, manuals, and non-fiction. Let Amazon have the novels and straight narrative.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        Reading this — and all my books — on an iPhone. So I can read anybody’s format. COULD buy Ibooks but Kindle works better for me.

  • Mark

    What goes around, comes around. In 1996, I was charged with creating an advertising platform for CompuServe (at the time, larger than AOL) and the integration of our commerce partners into the online experience. Our private label web search engine (pre-google) was powered by Lycos. When a member conducted a search, the results were fed into a templated CompuServe page. To help Barnes & Noble, one of our “Electronic Mall” clients, we created what we called a “roll-over” search, which was simply taking the words being searched, putting them against BN’s database, and serving their results in a column next to the Lycos results on our page. It was the first monetization of search. By today’s standards it was crude, rarely germane to the user and didn’t really move the sales needle for BN. The principles are the same today, but the tools and the back end distribution mechanisms are finally realizing the dream.

    • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

      Sometimes it takes a long time to pave the roads in the new digital supply chain.

  • carmen webster buxton

    If Google wants to sell ebooks, they need to look at what Amazon did that
    Sony didn’t. The first Sony Reader was a lot prettier than the Kindle, but it went nowhere because buying ebooks for it was too cumbersome. A feature-rich, easy-to-use Android ebook app that’s as seamless as the Kindle would go a long way to giving Google Books a leg up.

    p.s. Why can I load comments from this blog in Firefox but not in Chrome?

    • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

      The point to this piece is about selling print, not ebooks. I think doing both would on its own add strength to the ebook offer.
      I myself see comments in Chrome but I’m asking my WordPress techie your question.

      • carmen webster buxton

        Thanks. If it matters, my laptop has the dreaded Windows 8. (8.1 to be exact). In Chrome, I just get the spinning wheel and it keeps offering to reload them. In Firefox, the comments load in seconds.

        As far as print books go, I don’t really see what Google has to gain. Wouldn’t the overhead needed to compete be huge? Unless it was bigger than just books, I can’t see a software giant like Google wanting to get involved in a retail operation. They’re very good at making free stuff, but from what I have seen, when it comes to selling, they mostly know how to sell advertizing.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        Gee. Sorta feel like I covered that in the post. With Ingram as a partner, there is no significant “overhead”. That was the intended point!

      • Elliot1234

        Physical books only? My failure. I didn’t pick up on that.

        What is Google’s strategic advantage in going into physical books? How does it fit into the rest of their business? There are lots of physical goods that would benefit from Google’s data and computing. What makes books a better investment for Google than any other physical goods?

        Publishers would like it, and I can see them touting the idea. But from Google’s perspective, what do they get for going into yesterday’s stuff?

        Market share is moving away from physical books to eBooks. What does Google get by following them?

        And making life difficult for someone as a business strategy? I doubt Google would fall for that. They are far better off strengthening Google than they are trying to weaken Amazon.

        Anyone think Google gives a hoot what happens to publishers? They just brought a fiber optic cable into the middle of my basement. Nerflix movies download in two seconds. They are looking forward, not backwards.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        Maybe read it again?

        Google wins if they host more search. And they win if they make life harder for Amazon. Pretty clearly stated.

      • Elliot1234

        I know it is clearly stated. But that’s not good enough for Google

        Harming the other guy is a losing strategy unless one is in the same business. Google isn’t in the paper book business. Jumping into a new business to harm a guy who is far more entranched isn’t too attractive.

        Google does make money in searches. But they can do the same thing by entering any of a dozen other growing businesses. Why paper books?

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        The post obviously wasn’t clear enough for you.

      • Elliot1234

        Now that I understand it is dealing with paper, it is very clear. But in its clarity, it doesn’t tell us why this is a good idea for Google. One can argue that the two benefits cited exist. But why should Google do it if it can get more benefit doing something else?

        Moving into a declining industry is not Google’s pattern, Paper doesn’t seem to be attracting too many new investors. It’s a declining market. That’s not what they look for.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        Actually, I think it does cover why Google should do it.

        1. You can’t really play the ebook game without also playing the p-book game. Your apparent opinion to the contrary, most book readers will do both for a long time and only a store that gives them both can really serve them.
        2. They will pick up a LOT more search activity, which is what they’re all about.

        3. They will make life more difficult for Amazon, with whom they compete in a number of ways.

        All of this is in the piece, I’m pretty sure. I am always willing to assume I could have said things better, but I also think perhaps you could read things better.

      • Elliot1234

        1. Innovative firms can do lots if things without embracing a dying market and a partner on a gurney. I don’t remember. Was Apple selling physical CDs when it started iTunes?

        There are lots of people who have switched to eReading rather than print. Offering then print books they don’t want won’t do much to gain their attention.

        Google would be far better off using its considerable resources and reach to push eGoods. That’s what they are good at. Nobody is good at pushing paper today. We know that because the paper market share keeps shrinking.

        2. I agree they would get more search activity. But they would probably balk when they find they would have to get into the paper business to get those clicks.

        Google is investing in robots, self-driving cars, and consumer fiber networks. And it’s building its eVideo business without selling CDs, even as thousands throng the RedBoxes outside supermarkets.

        And now they should get in the paper book business? Maybe they should buy a paper newspaper, too. People still read them.

        3. So, Google will do this because they don’t like Amazon? I can’t wait for Amazon to respond with their own search engine because they don’t like Google..

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        I have no doubt that you can sustain a barrage of objections until the cows come in, but they don’t cut it.

        1. Ingram isn’t “on a gurney”. They have a host of capabilities that can be synergistically leveraged with Google’s, with each side gaining opportunities in their own spheres of strength. This is an interaction that would deliver assets to Google’s core business of search-related advertising and wouldn’t in any way require them to invest in or get involved in businesses they don’t know and don’t care about it. In fact, I’d argue that the same-day delivery synergy they’re trying to build now is more of a stretch than what I’m talking about.

        2. Print books still constitute the vast majority of books sold and in areas outside staight text, the preponderant majority of books. The market share may “keep shrinking”, but it is doing so very slowly and uou can’t really compete in the book business without both. Amazon started in the book business and really know it and do it well, even though they are a tech company and have moved far beyond it. Apple would never have the interest, although they do deal with hard goods: computers and devices and accessories. What would be required of Google to mount a credible distraction to Amazon that would also be productive for Google’s core business is trivial if they’re teamed with Ingram.

        3. Google’s same day delivery service is motivated by the *need *to compete with Amazon. Amazon IS a search engine, Eliot, that’s the friggin point. When you want something you might search Google or you might go straight to The Everything Store and search for it there. It’s an existential battle of titans, not some distraction.

        Let’s put it this way. To the extent that Google doesn’t say Amazon as a competitor, they should ignore this idea. They’re with you. To the extent that they do, they should see this as a really sensible strategic move. I think you should be satisfied to leave it at that.

      • Elliot1234

        1. Of course Ingrams is on a gurney. It’s a paper gurney. Paper is going away. Market share is falling. I agree it’s a good deal for Ingrams. It would be wonderful for them. But Google doesn’t get anything from investing in paper that is in decline. They want stuff that is growing. But, who knows? Somebody at Time Warner thought AOL was a good deal.

        Notice what Amazon is doing with its new ad venture. They are moving into a growing area where Google dominates. They may even harm Google in the process. They are both competing in a segment with a future

        So Google will respond by moving into a declining area where Amazon dominates? Google is just as smart as Amazon. They will counter Amazon with a move that is far better than going backwards to paper.

        2. Slowly shrinking market share doesn’t provide much incentive. Slowly shrinking does not invite confidence or dollars when there are robust areas of growth available..

        A credible distraction for Amazon? By investing in a declining business with no future? I agree Amazon would be distracted, But not the way you suggest.

        3. Competition is fine, and I agree Amazon and Google compete. But there is no reason for either to pick an inferior weapon to compete. Paper is inferior. It is going away.

        Amazon is a company with a search engine. It isn’t a search engine. It also sells eGoods, cloud storage, physical goods, and delivers them. Many things are necessary for it’s operation, but no single aspect is sufficient.

        To the extent that Google sees Amazon as a competitor, it should choose its course wisely. Going backwards to paper isn’t wise when there are more attractive options with long term growth potential.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        You’d think a guy who made wrapped up his last extended missive with a coup de grace (maybe Amazon should compete with Google by making a search engine, ha ha) that fell entirely flat (because they ARE a search engine and compete as a search engine for all products — and a very sophisticated one at that) would have a touch of humility about their undocumented, unsubstantiated, and, frankly, uninformed opinion. You’re stubborn but you’re just wrong. Google and Amazon both know that the’re in combat to be sure they’re the FIRST place people search for any product they want. Four percent of people read ebooks exclusively according to a Pew Study that was published last week, which you no doubt were not aware of but everybody at Google and Amazon and who are professionals in book publishing were. What that means is that NINETY-SIX PERCENT of book buyers read print, exclusively or in tandem with ebooks. In addition to that, ebooks have near zero penetration on most subjects about which there would be companion purchases: travel, home repair, gardening, crafts. Google has competed — and invested — considerably in cataloging and improving their book search capabilities, which are also important for their initiatives in schools..Their scanning project began before Amazon’s “Look Inside” and is far more extensive. So they’ve already rejected your advice about investing in the “dying” field of print books, whether or not they take mine to engage in a low-risk and low-cost partnership that will enhance their ability to compete for that part of the business which is retail of print.

      • Elliot1234

        So, do you think Amazon should compete with Google in making a general purpose, all encompassing search engine? If Amazon is also investing in distraction, it might distract Google a bit.

        But, perhaps Amazon and Google look at available oportunities for competition and select the best opportunities.

        I agree Google and Amazon want to be the first place people search for any product, OK. Does that mean Google has to go into all those businesses? Does Google have to sell all those products themselves because they deliver them up in a search?

        Why?

        I agree eBooks have just about zero penetration in many areas. OK. So why does that mean Google has to sell paper that is steadily losing market share and is dying?

        If Google did want to get into physical goods in a big way, why pick something with a slowly shrinking market share? There are other goods available with increasing market shares.

        So, if Google did want to choose some physical product to sell, it can choose between a good that has a slowly shrinking market share, and many other goods that have increasing market shares.

        I agree Google has invested in cataloging lots of stuff. But my advice to them was to stay out of the physical paper busienss. It’s wonderful they are cataloging stuff. I applaud that.

        There is little reason to think Google needs to physically sell what they catalog.

        And they have done a wonderful job in transferring all those physical paper books to elecronic format. They certainly handled them, but they didn’t sell the paper to anyone.

        I wonder how many cars are on the road with CD palyers and drivers who listen to them? Cars are staying on the road longer today. And I wonder how many of those cars are owned by people who also download from iTunes. Think iTunes should start selling physical CDs?

        I wonder how many people watch movies from DVD players? Google has recently started its own video business. Think they should also start selling physical DVDs?

        But, while people do listen to CD music, and they do watch DVDs, Google, and Apple both know those are dying lines. Market share is shrinking even as people continue to listen.

        I am not at all surprised 96% of book buyers read print. Of course they do. I’m surprised it isn’t higher.

        Shrinking markets all point to the same spot. Google doesn’t want to be there when they get there.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        I feel like I’ve made the point. I try to focus my pieces by leaving out a lot of extraneous discussion. I’m willing to let my piece stand as the answer to this. I am tired of going down these very similar rabbit holes.

      • Elliot1234

        You have indeed made your point, and what you describe would definitely work. Both Ingram and Google bring considerable strengths. So there is no dispute there.

        However, after such a proposal is on the table, various parties will evaluate it. It is great from the perspective of Ingram, publishers, traditional authors.

        I have taken the perspective of Google, and looked at it like I would any proposal for new investment.

        But we can both take heart. I’m now reading about Amazon, Apple, and Google competing in the health care market. I confess. That one took me by surprise. Health care as a new benefit for Amazon Prime members?

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        Of course if you were really doing that competently you’d be up to date on the competitive situation including that Amazon has started selling advertising against their own search results.

      • Elliot1234

        I completely agree. Look at my post above from two days ago that says,

        Notice what Amazon is doing with its new ad venture. They are moving into a growing area where Google dominates. They may even harm Google in the process. They are both competing in a segment with a future

        So Google will respond by moving into a declining area where Amazon dominates? Google is just as smart as Amazon. They will counter Amazon with a move that is far better than going backwards to paper.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        Elliott, Amazon’s dominance *comes from *their hegemony in physical segments. If you decline to compete with them there, you simply concede. And note that Google HAS an initiative with brick-and-mortar around rapid physical delivery. Nothing “virtual” about that. So they’ve already decided to compete in the physical world; they just picked a “segment” of it that is a slivver, while I’m suggesting a way that with almost no investment enables them to compete at the heart.

      • Elliot1234

        Firms concede specific markets all the time. There is no need to enter a market simply because a competitor in another market has a presence.

        Google is building its own fiber optic network delivering gigabit TV and internet to consumers. And it is even a physical network with cables. Does that mean Amazon has to do the same? Why?

        Google is developing self-driving cars. Does Amazon have to do the same? Why?

        Google developed Android. Does Amazon have to develop its own OS to compete with Google and Apple? Why?

        Google is indeed involved in a pilot physical delivery program. The fact that Google deals with delivery doesn’t imply it has to sell any specific physical goods. UPS doesn’t feel the need, and it delivers lots of stuff. Many physical goods have bright futures. Paper books don’t.

        And books are hardly the heart of physical goods. They really are a sliver.

        I question if anyone can develop an internet store that will compete with Amazon for almost no investment. If so, we should tell Kobo, B&N, and Apple. Their search and selection systems are far inferior to Amazon’s. Maybe they don’t know they can do it for free.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        Print books are core to Amazon’s competitive advantages. The things you cite are nowhere near as important to anybody. Google can disrupt them in print with very little investment. You can make all the generalized cases you want; i *get *your “principle” against investing in “declining” markets. I think you’re following what might be a sound principle out the window and I particularly think that counting on print books not mattering any time soon is ridiculous. I don’t think this exchange is advancing any understanding. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

      • Elliot1234

        I agree Amazon has a significant strength in print books.

        But competitors are not assigned to each other. They find they are competitors when they meet in various markets.

        Google has met many, and Amazon is a big one. But they have not encountered each other in the paper book market. They don’t compete there.

        So, Google is content to let Amazon ride paper downhill. Google has no reason to enter the market just because Amazon is there. Harming the other guy is a poor strategy when there are other opportunities to build one’s own strength.

        Google concentrates on opportunities where it can enter growing markets and become a dominant player. Google has lots to choose from.

      • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

        UGH! I guess you really MUST have the last word. Even if you say the same thing over and over again!

  • Gareth Cuddy

    Good argument as always Mike.

    I’m particularly interested in your point on Google treating books as another “Play” product.
    One of the criticisms I hear from publishers is that both Google & Apple just “don’t get books”. I wonder what, if anything will change this?
    Unless they take it seriously as a stand alone product with very different demands and strategies it will always remain a very small part of their business.
    And I think you’re right – partnership of some description with either physical or other digital partners are the only way to make a real impact. That shift in mentality to books before technology is not going to come from within either Google or Apple I suspect.

    • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

      Definitely parr of the synergy with what propose is Ingram’s knowledge of books and the business, which could really interact productively with Google’s capabilities.

      • Steven Zacharius

        I’m writing to John Ingram to suggest this. Ingram likes to be a middle-man….that’s their business model and this would be a good model for them. And with the Android platform on so many devices, if Google really wanted to push sales; they could easily enough. Until recently Apple didn’t even have iBooks as part of the operating system on macs.

    • Elliot1234

      Unless they take it seriously as a stand alone product with very different demands and strategies it will always remain a very small part of their business.

      It will remain a small part of their buisness because it is small relative to the rest of their enterprise.

      • Gareth Cuddy

        I agree. Which isn’t great news for publishers looking for their Knight in shining armour….

  • Teddy P

    What will it take to get you to use a different client to send out these posts as emails, for those of us who subscribe but miss 2 out of every 3 posts? Try TinyLetter, try anything, but something that works.

    • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

      Thanks, Teddy. Yes, it’s on the agenda. Small organization stretched with other things. But we’re aware of the problem and there are a LOT of you so we need to fix it.

      • Teddy P

        PS. Thanks for the blog — always insightful and interesting.

  • Raj

    Hi Mike, one point worth mentioning in your otherwise excellent piece. When the B&N-Google deal was announced, I played around with Google’s service and it appeared to me that the book prices were B&N’s in-store prices, which as you know are much higher (30-40% on average) than B&N’s own online prices and Amazon’s prices. Assuming this is still the case, and given that Amazon is also expanding same-day delivery and appears to be a couple steps ahead in their geographical rollout, I would think this would severely limit the appeal of B&N same day delivery for consumers, even if Google subsidizes delivery charges for a while. Curious if you gave this some thought.

    • http://idealog.com/blog Mike Shatzkin

      Did NOT give this any thought. But you’re right: the price comparison will matter.